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|Here has been discussion if the subject in French Martinist circles.
There it is made plain that Pasqually and LCSM definitely did NOT teach reincarnation.
Both of these masters are regarded as teachers of esoteric Christianity by most of the French Martinist community.
Hasidic sects teach reincarnation - and many do not. In the larger
exoteric community of Judaism it is left up to individual thinking.
Maimonides and Saada of Gaon thought that it was illogical and that there was not enough proof.
of the problem with reincarnation is the possibility that it will
deflect the person from full realization now ( Oh i will get around to
that in a future incarnation ).
Some Lurianic cabbalists think that
each incarnation is focussed on the perfecting of one of the 613 rules
or mitzvoh - so one may need 613 lives to become fully perfected -
I have heard that the inner circles of the Brahmins
reject the idea of reincarnation totally - their goal is total
liberation or Jivan Mukti.
The times in which Papus lived were
focused on trying to synchronize the teachings from many different
cultures , so that for example you have his contemporary Krumm Heller
going to the native Americans in Mexico and integrating their teachings
into his system.
One of the other main traditions of esoteric Christianity , the Orthodox churches , regard reincarnation as heretical.
I have not been able to find any evidence of he teaching of reincarnation in the original Druid or Saxon teachings.
have heard that modern French Martinists such as Robert Ambelain did
not accept it as a doctrine and he was mainly responsible for the
resurgence of the Elus Cohens. Robert Amadou , the best known current
researcher of Martinism, states in his introduction to his edition of
Treatise that he has found strong evidence to show that
Pasqually's teachings closely resemble the teachings of the Syrian
My opinion is that re-incarnation and
re-integration are not exclusive concepts, and can therefore be paired
as easily as re-incarnation and karma. I did not suggest that Pasqually
explicitly teaches re-incarnation in his treatise, because the point of
my thesis is that no such mention is required to support the idea. I am
emphasizing this idea because comments like these seem to have
overlooked this idea for something grander: Where does it enter the
I don't recall anything on reincarnation [In Pasqually]. Perhaps because Pasqually assumed we knew how he felt...
seems the first question should rather be this: What do you recall
being said about the nature of Re-integration, not re-incarnation. What
have you found about Re-integration that necessarily excludes
re-incarnation? The ideas are not exclusive and in fact pair as well
together as "the-incarnation" and "re-integration."
why I used the example of Isaac Luria, who has a Cosmic Motivation
called "Tikkun" that, to my understanding, is very similar to
"Re-integration." Without needing to suggest any kind of linkage from
Luria to Pasqually, I am simply pointing to a Western example that
explicitly teaches re-incarnation, and which has no problem using a
"Re-integration" like motivation to fully explain the scheme, hence, my
point that the ideas are fully compatible and not exclusive.
Is Luria an influence on Pasqually or any other members of the WMT of his time or earlier? That’s another thread...
Doesn’t the WMT include Judaic mysticism too? I cant imagine not including it.
"yes" would be fully in harmony with Martinist beliefs about
"Reintegration" as the central mystery of incarnation. The
"Gate of Recurrence (or Return)" by the the "Lion of
Safed" Isaac Luria is an example of a profound study into
(re)incarnation that long precedes the TS introduction of 'karma'
as 'the' motive force behind re-incarnation.
read what is available in English by LCSM, I can only observe
that he doesn't seem to have much of what I would recognize as
Kabbalist thought in those texts, plenty of Aquinas though. He
has a Number theory that is entirely peculiar to himself. I don't
recall anything on reincarnation.
Papus and those around
him were certainly into the Cabbala, and availed themselves of
Mathers The Kabbalah Unveiled and other then recently published texts.
Before the 19th Century, Kabbalist texts were certainly not
widely available outside of the Jewish Communities of Europe,
where they were preserved.
Lastly, how much are the Kabbalists derivative of Neoplatonism?
* Boehmists None that I can tell
* Swedenborgians Definitely not
* "Primordial" Martinism No belief in Reincarnation
* Alchemy/Hermeticism Some belief in R.
* Martinist Orders Some belief in R.
* R+C groups Some belief in R.
would note that the original RC is contemporary with Jacob Boehm
himself at the point of the publication of the Fama and Confessio and
in many ways also geographically linked.
Aurora published 1612
First printed R+C Manifesto 1614
The Fama had allegedly been circulating in ms. from as early as 1610
we accept the writing in the Fama, Confessio and Hochzeit as authentic,
the RC considerably predates Boehm and indeed Luther, though how much
the events written about in the Manifestos are LITERAL as opposed to
allegorical and occult may be subject to discussion.
literal, allegorical, and occult, I would add Idealistic. They also
function as propaganda; mainly affecting people who were not members.
Rosicrucian Ideal was to be modified by Andrea's "Christian Union", but
this idea didn't take hold, and is virtually forgotten.
is reincarnation/resurrection inherent or implicit in the original
Rosicrucian writings - it may well be argued that it is so.
It would be easiest to start with the Modern R+C groups and individuals and work backwards.
R+C OTG (ICES) Yes
AMORC, ARC, CRC Yes
Lectorium R+C Yes
FR+C (Clymer) Yes
Heindel's R+C Yes
Catholique R+C ?
SRIA (masonic) Some papers on the subject, no official opinion.
Kn. R+C (masonic) no opinion
is a possibility as well that, given the religious climate in 18th
century France (they WERE still executing people for heresy at the
time, after all) that nobody was about to teach reincarnation
explicitly, and certainly not in a manner that would be provable in a
court, ie. on paper.
Here is a thought though: if God is
infinite, then for God time doesn't exist. If, through successive
incarnations we achieve union with God, then, when that occurs, time
will no longer exist. At this point, since THAT consciousness is
eternal, not only will we be illumined in THAT incarnation, but we will
have been illumined in all the preceding incarnations. In that sense,
complete illumination occurs in one incarnation, and there are none
after it, nor were there any before it.
"The most important
of all worthy traits consists in an individual's behaving with
humility, modesty, and with the fear of sin to the greatest possible
He should also, to the utmost degree, keep his distance from
pride, anger, fussiness, foolishness, and evil gossip; and even should
he have a significant reason for behaving harshly, he ought to refrain
from acting in this way....he should also abstain from idle
conversation ... and not lose his temper, even with members of his own
Additionally, the quality of anger, aside from serving as
an obstacle to mystical inspiration altogether, has other injurious
repercussions...This is because all other transgressions 'injure' only
a single limb of the body whereas the quality of anger 'injures' the
soul in its entirety, altering its character completely."